Originally by: Calebes

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Let me bring philosophy and ethics back into this discussion, instead of all this daily-life-routine conversation.

How do I see the difference between NRDS and NBSI? Quite simple: NRDS is 'innocent until proven otherwise', whereas NBSI is very simply 'quilty until proven otherwise'.

Ponder this, and have a fun day.

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Originally by: Vexed Angel

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I have recently started traveling to 0.0 to wet my feet. Being in a non allied corp who's base is in empire makes for a difficult journey through 0.0. From the news you would think that bob are "the bad guys" yet with all you folks practicing NBSI you have set yourself as the dark force. The basic problem is that once an alliance squad engages me I have no choice but to defend myself which in turn puts me to a red status for the rest of the alliance. I then never had the chance to work any sort of diplomacy and because of 2 pilots have lost standing with hundreds in return. So as it is I have had to run from a few engagements just to eliminate the possibility of being hunted by larger forces.
So in the end apologize in local for the engagement but you did shoot first and I was tanking 3 BS's so I wouldn't consider myself a threat at that time...
What this amounts to is people want to fluff their killboards, it really hasn't got alot to do with security in those cases.

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Originally by: Serenity Celestine

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I see alot of NBSI alliances claiming they operate in such a way to keep it simple and keep hostiles/hostile alts out. They shoot anything that isnt blue that enters their space and dont consider it piracy cause they are "defending their space from (possible) hostiles" I cant say that I dont see a certain amount of logic in that, but I dont agree with how most carry that out.

Pretty much all NBSI alliances that boarder 0.0 space set up gate camps with bubbles and kill anything that enters that isnt blue. This in my book is piracy. Its one thing to kill suspicious looking neutrals that have been hanging about just a little too long for comfort, in a system that is important to your alliances security. But most take it too far imo.

At some point in their Eve career most pod pilots want to at least experience a little 0.0 space, so they plot a course for the nearest 0.0 system and hope for the best. All to often they meet their doom at the hands of and indiscriminate blob with way to many warp bubbles deployed. THIS IS PIRACY by just about any standards. Its one thing to be NBSI way out in 0.0 near HQ systems for security reasons, but entirely another to have a gank squad sitting at an entrance to 0.0 23/7.

It is pretty easy to tell a noob looking for adventure from an alt spy, and typically noobs dont go way out into 0.0 and hang around strategically important systems, hostile alts/spies do.

So I say to those alliances that use NBSI "to keep out hostiles" as an excuse to slaughter anything that enters 0.0, you are indeed pirates, and no better than the blob of 20 -10 sec status BS camping some random gate in low sec.

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